Interventionist God?

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By Christina A

I have been a blogger for many years, and one post in particular seems to keep attracting visits. It is an initial exploration of whether or not God intervenes in our daily lives. There are a range of perspectives on this question, and I suspect that it is of nearly as much interest to those who do not profess to be Christians as it is to those who do. In the face of grand scale tragedy, the question "how can God allow this to happen" is never far from people's minds, regardless of where they sit on the philosophical fence. Similarly, in the state of high stress and danger, the plea "God help me" is often mouthed. Perhaps there is something innate within humanity, to look for something beyond ourselves when we find ourselves in crisis.

Nick Cave sings "I don't believe in an interventionist God, but I know darling that you do".  He then asks God to then direct his lady love into his arms.  It is a tender song.  Nick Cave is no unintentional theologian.  His poetry, songs and essays have much to contribute to theological discussion, if nothing other than to hold a light up to re-examine beliefs, mysteries and inconsistencies within Christianity. This song rather obviously raises the question of whether or not God intervenes in the smallness of our lives and loves.

In my last hub about the book of Job I wrote about the dialogue between God and the Satan. If we take the story on face value, it seems as though God likes to stir the pot, allows things to happen, but does set limits (the Satan was not given total free reign with Job).  The picture here is not so much of an intervening God, but of one that has made up the rules, and watches with interest to see what happens.  It reminds me a little of the gods in Pratchett's disc world novels, and even more ancient views of divine amusements.  I do believe that God can intervene. God would not be God if this was outside divine capacity.  God could have stopped Job's sufferings.  But he did not.  Why?

This question is not easily answered.  It plagues skeptics like Nick Cave and fundamentalist Christians alike.  Why doesn't God intervene when we pray, when atrocities happen in the world, when someone I love contracts cancer?  For some, the argument of free will suffices for explaining why bad things happen.  Open Theism suggests that God doesn't know the future because it doesn't exist to be known, and therefore does not intervene to stop what is not yet known.  You can read a good overview of Open Theism here.  For others, this question may be responded with an additional one - who are we to even ask why God does or doesn't do something, or to question divine plans.  I take comfort from the fact that Job did, and survived to tell the tale.  And was even extolled by God for having "spoken rightly". 

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Disappearinghead Level 3 Commenter 17 months ago

Throughout OT history God interviened so there is the precident. He also intervened by sending His Son into the world and in theory the church is supposed to be His body in the Earth that acts out His will. However for the large part the church probably doesn't do this. Who knows though how often He intervenes by affecting people's thoughts and thereby changing the course of events? Are we expecting Him to miraculously intervene to avert natural disasters or to heal a loved one? We should by faith, but the common reality is different. I guess it is up to us to change that bit of the world we live in.

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brotheryochanan Level 2 Commenter 17 months ago

open theism is a crock!

Isaiah 21:16 For thus hath the Lord said unto me, Within a year, according to the years of an hireling, and all the glory of Kedar shall fail:

Isaiah 23:15 And it shall come to pass in that day, that Tyre shall be forgotten seventy years, according to the days of one king: after the end of seventy years shall Tyre sing as an harlot.

there are so many instances of god knowing the future that anyone who says this must surely be insane

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msaitken 17 months ago

There are some quite intelligent open theists, the best known is Clark Pinnock, what book I have read of his, he sticks to scripture well and in context. An Emeritus professor, he certainly wasn't insane.

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Christina A Hub Author 17 months ago

I find Clark Pinnock an interesting read. Brotheryochanan, I am not sure how your scripture references fit with the issue of God choosing to know or not, choosing to intervene or not. It is hard to draw anything from a couple of passages without a context around them.

Disappearinghead, intervention in response to our prayers is an interesting one. It is hard to understand why some things happen when we pray that they don't, and vice versa. A common response to what could seem like a lack of intervention is that it was the wrong timing, not God's will - in short we have asked the wrong thing for a divine "yes" . I can wear this in the trivial things of this life. But I am not sure how this works in regard to natural disasters, human attrocities, starvation, abuse. I think we have a part to play in the implementation of God's will in regard to some of these things. But where is the intersection point between God's will, natural consequences, our own actions and reactions? I will need to think about this further....

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